Is there a song that you could play a Leonard Cohen song you could play an excerpt of for us in tribute to him since were both such great fans? Lets start with a track from the new album. And then more recently, just about a year ago, in August of 2021, you had an ectopic pregnancy. And the character you wrote yourself out to be, the flagship all part of my fooling. But through the process of making the record and, you know, all the things that go with that, the hours and the tedium, it got easier for us to have conversations, not because we were doing the work of addressing the problems but because we were found common ground on something again, which has always been music and words. GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. GROSS: So that was the Highwomen, which is a song performed by the supergroup The Highwomen, which was co-founded by my guest, Amanda Shires, and Brandi Carlile. And thats when the fertilized egg stays in the fallopian tube. Trump Melts Down Over Murdoch Admitting Fox Lied About Election Fraud, If you say those things out loud, it makes a difference. If youre just joining us, my guest is Amanda Shires, and her latest album is called Take It Like A Man. This is FRESH AIR. Shires new album, Take it Like a Man, includes several songs she wrote during a rough period in her marriage to musician Jason Isbell. I could just trust based on how Leonard Cohen did all that work for us. How did you decide to say that these songs are really about a bad period of your marriage? I laid hands upon the world. On your Twitter, you describe yourself as a disciple of Leonard Cohen. So its probably important to stay alive before you start questioning your liberty.. When it reopened, he was in the first 200. Do you think God still sees me, coming out of this twilight sleep? she asks, before the band carries the song out with a powerful extended coda. It rings out like its supposed to. Amy Salit and Susan Nyakundi produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Why not? I like to play pool, he says. SHIRES: I dont know that well, I dont know that I was going to leave or that Jason was going to leave. AL.com spoke to Isbell last September about when he decided implementing these COVID restrictions at his shows was the right thing to do, how this stance has affected the relationship with some of his fans, what its like to finally hit the road and play again and what it will take for Alabama to have a change of heart on getting vaccinated. And he married my grandmother. Jason Isbell and Amanda Shires Celebrate Vinyl and Indie Retail as Record Store Days 2023 Ambassadors: Were Building the Embassy as We Speak. I just fell in love with the music, is what happened. Moon, in all your splendor. They arent helping. Its you, Brandi Carlile, Natalie Hemby, Maren Morris. In a new interview, Shires who returns with her latest album Take It Like a Man in July goes deeper into her own experiences and calls on artists, especially those in Nashville, to start using the platforms theyve been given. Fellow singer/songwriter Aimee Mann tweeted well wishes to Isbell: Im so sorry. The sound of silence rings in every room. Amid the rise in infections, it was reported last week that one of the worlds most prominent concert promoters, Live Nation, will allow artists performing at its venues to require guests in the U.S. to show proof of vaccination or a negative Covid-19 test. But theres a medication you can take that aborts the fertilized egg from your fallopian tube. Then I tried recording it in a couple of other situations, and I just didnt have it right yet. (In "Wasn't I Paying Attention," a tale of dramatically staged, small-town suicide, for example, the way she sings the word "attention" amplifies the narrator's unsettled state.) Can you play something that you think kind of epitomizes the style that you learned and fell in love with? In 2016 there was 13% representation of women to men on country radio, and now it still sits pleasantly at 16% on a good week. Singer, songwriter and fiddle player Amanda Shires still remembers the moment she fell in love with the fiddle. Is there a song that youd like to do? I was learning orchestra and classical music in school and privately. Well definitely get to your verse, which is the second one. Upcoming Dates Past If you see my milk cow, please drive her on home cause I had no milk and butter no since my cows been gone. I think a lot of women are born healers and nurturers. If youre just joining us, my guest is songwriter, singer and musician Amanda Shires. But they also understood that I was a kid. Do you need the reasons why? We just couldnt get along. So hold on to your thoughts. When the band step back from their microphones to begin the extended breakdown, Isbell smiles like a boy on a great adventure. I know they enjoy it. Shires character wrestles with the decision and the right thing to do in her situation, while Isbells character offers his support for whatever decision she makes. Isbells first show after finishing rehab was opening solo for Ryan Adams in Perth, Australia, three days after he got out (two, if you count the international dateline, the day that goes into the vortex). I am Terry Gross. I cant see a thing from here. I heard in 22 songs, one womans voice I heard. And then and neither of them told us that stuff. Former Drive-By Trucker is enjoying a breakout moment with new album 'Southeastern'. Where does that get us with our Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights? We found out that, yes, our grandmothers are pro-choice. Recently, I had an ectopic pregnancy, she tweeted. And tell us how. The Idol: How HBOs Next Euphoria Became Twisted Torture Porn And I dont know. Or did you keep the songs, like, kind of secret for a while? And I got awarded a scholarship to be able to go to those. So either you have surgery or I think you die. And he was there for 25 years. But I think folks forget that access to abortion and reproductive healthcare is not just about terminating unwanted pregnancy. Im going to play fiddle and Im going to sing in. He could still leave it dish in the sink, you know? Were proud to be from that area. Amanda Shires opens her new album To the Sunset with a strikingly different scenario. GROSS: I think its time for another break. Well close with the opening track from Amanda Shires new album. Isbells grandfather and uncle were both musicians, says Tompkins on the phone from Nashville. What didnt I say that could have helped change one mind? I cant live with the idea of not speaking up. Wherever you get that support whether in a relationship or friends no matter what you believe, you can believe to support somebody through something hard.. The way she relaxes into low notes on that last line makes it sound far more like an unembarrassed confession than a complaint. SHIRES: Honestly, a lot of times, my thoughts come to me just in pictures. Its pretty obvious.. I hope that if Roe v. Wade is overturned, it causes such a fucking uproar that we end up with more rights than we had before. But I am living still. I would like to challenge other folks who have platforms to actually use them. I accept it now. SHIRES: So I thought if I could write a song with my feelings in it, that it might bring him around to the walls that arent really walls that we put ourselves behind sometimes. Ninety-five percent of study participants who did have an abortion still stood by their decision. And after he did his time, he didnt say anything about it. Shires, an incisive songwriter and solo artist and occasional member of husband Jason Isbells 400 Unit band, has been vocal about protecting a womans right to choose in the past. I was lucky. GROSS: Good. It could be something you played. It is not trapped in your throat. Video Playlist: Drive-By Truckers Play Pared-Down Southern Rock, You can still find those adventures if you surround yourself with the right people, Isbell tells Rolling Stone, sitting at a picnic table on the roof of the Port City Music Hall in Portland, Maine, where hell perform in a couple of hours, a few days after his Newport set. Use of and/or registration on any portion of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement, Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement, and Your Privacy Choices and Rights (each updated 1/26/2023). Cancelling shows feels awful, I know. Community Rules apply to all content you upload or otherwise submit to this site. With vacations lagging and the dangerous delta variant spreading, the United States is averaging more than 100,000 new cases a day for the first time since early February. Why did you want to form this group? Im glad to be a listener and also glad to see folks from those generations supporting the right to choose. I had no problem taking direction, but and I had no problem helping when I needed to help, so. Demographer Diana Greene Foster conducted a 10-year study tracking both people who had abortions and people who were denied abortions. SHIRES: (Singing) If you want a lover, Ill do anything you ask me to. She was in her home recording studio with her fiddle and with guitarist Zach Setchfield, and they played a few songs. For the latest news, follow us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble. Jason Isbell and Amanda Shires perform at Ryman Auditorium in Nashville. And this is basically, like, a country supergroup. On August 9, 2021 my fallopian tube ruptured. Singer, songwriter and fiddle player Amanda Shires still remembers the moment she fell in love with the fiddle. It was there I found, beside the Alamo, enchantment, strange as the blue up above. This is FRESH AIR. Im glad to hear it. Also, during this time when I was leaving, I was thinking about how Mercy was you know, picked up a kazoo, and she could play a kazoo. I could tell my milk cow I could tell by the way she lows. In the decade-plus that Shires has been making solo albums in addition to working as a side person with Billy Joe Shaver, Justin Townes Earle and, eventually, her husband and fellow singer-songwriter Jason Isbell she's expressed self-consciousness about the shivers and tremors in her singing voice, tried to smooth them out of her delivery and ultimately embraced its untameness. Thank you for performing for us. I didnt start learning how to accept my voice until recently. Web0:00 / 2:57 Amanda Shires - Fault Lines (Official Audio) Amanda Shires 26.8K subscribers Subscribe 23K views 6 months ago "Fault Lines" is on Amanda Shires' new album. And because of that, I felt like we should make it something thats as safe as it can possibly be. And I kept imagining, like, how I had nothing left to give and nothing I could do or say to make anything feel right, like, within me somehow. Thats abundantly clear on his breakout new album, Southeastern, one of the years best in any genre. And this is after some kind of nebulous argument. GROSS: What would the right voice for you like, whats wrong what doesnt match? When her distinctive vibrato appears on To the Sunset, as a subtle emotive tool or punctuation in her storytelling, it feels like an electrical charge shuddering through the live wire of her voice. If youre just joining us, my guest is songwriter, singer and musician Amanda Shires, and her latest album is called Take It Like A Man. Well be right back. SHIRES: Thank you so much. For my children, I did what I had to do. However, you can still listen with the Spotify or Apple Music playlist at the bottom of the page. I know everyone is scared of losing their rung on the ladder, but there are more important things, I think, than your fame. But if you dont, youre going to be wondering, What didnt I do? GROSS: So how seriously were you taken by the musicians in the band? For the past decade or so, Amanda Shires has sung about the dark shades of relationships lapsed communication, broken trust, fading intimacy with a devastating eye for detail. And I was trying to sing that song A Little Walk With You (ph). Then her character takes control of the exchange in a teasing tone. And for a lot of folks, that can be the most boring part of the three-part string ensemble thing. With artists and concert promoters nationwide forced to confront a surging spike in infections and hospitalizations attributed to the spread of the delta variant, Grammy Award-winning songwriter Amanda Shires and bestselling author George Saunders discuss inspiration, songwriting, and Amanda's new song, "You Don't Get to Go." And he said, try playing this one. Likewise, the changes underway to the Supreme Court after the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg could also mean that abortion rights will come under fire nationally. It was keeping me up at night. And I said, OK. And then I fell in love. And then, we did it, sing the song. GROSS: Your mother earlier in her life worked as a bail bondsman, right? Its no fun but well be alright.. I cried, I asked and I balled. And even on the charts, theres one spot usually I think in 2016, there was 13% representation of women to men on country radio, and now it still sits pleasantly at 16% on a good week. If youre just joining us, my guest is songwriter, singer, musician Amanda Shires. It made me think, You know, I bet our grandmothers are more pro-choice than everybody leads us to believe.. Ive found and scrounged and continue to for every interview that hes done in any form, in any language. Isbell said he had to cancel his Asheville shows scheduled for Jan. 11-12, but he and his team are working to reschedule shows in Louisville, Columbus, Wilkes-Barre and Wilmington. Too caught up in the way I want you rolling over me. And I am still alive. Like, do you say, hey, honey, heres a song I wrote about how bad things are between us right now? WebWe would like to show you a description here but the site wont allow us. It was love at first listen. Sign up for Rolling Stones Newsletter. You dont see a lot of men speaking up, and every voice is helpful. SHIRES: (Singing) I was a healer. And then my mom would drive me down there. On August 9, 2021 my fallopian tube ruptured. Yet, Isbell noted, the problem is that many of the venue owners are getting so much pushback from some of the governors of certain states who want to kowtow to their political base.. You can say I lost my grip. I was playing a music festival, and I noticed that there was a fiddle on stage with Billy Joe. And then it was never like, oh, they have to be on a record once I do record them. And it just worked when we did it. And then in my mind I thought, well, if he couldnt hear the frequency of my voice before, maybe he could hear it through music, you know? Im not joking. GROSS: Oh, thats great. And she was also holding down a day job as a single mom. But I think she probably knew. "I'm daring to do what she couldn't bring herself to do," Shires ruminates, shadowed by her own feathery harmonies. Maybe I was asking for a little too much. Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble. Did you actually meet him? 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So one of the things you learned, like, I think in the past few years is that your grandfather had spent years in prison. Theres a lot of things you do with your hands, but it struck me the most is matching the feeling of desperation or even begging. SHIRES: Thats all you have to say? I hope you get well soon. Isbell responded, Thank you Aimee. Its not more threatening than the idea of taking away the services and the work that doctors and nurses do. SHIRES: No, not until a couple of years ago. Tommy Duncan was the singer. Shires has an MFA in poetry, and she's exacting in her use of imagery to portray sensuality as a force both internal and physical. Got myself a breakthrough case of Covid, the Alabama-born artist tweeted Tuesday. GROSS: How did you end up actually playing in the Texas Playboys band? So lets do that. You know, like, how does that go? My focus stays strong I can work on a song for six or seven hours in one day, and not get bored or tired of it.. And while I I know the voice that I have is what I have. Despite the many questions as to why she was undergoing the procedure which she described as having "cells removed" despite trolls labeling her a "baby killer" Shires wrote at the time, "The reasons that I chose to have an abortion are personal, and they are mine." It's a sentiment that Shires has echoed many times since. And then I thought about Waylon and Kris and them of The Highwaymen, and I was like, they were kind of speaking about ageism. People will have to prove that they have been raped. On August 9, 2021 I think she probably knew 100%, but.. It goes, (singing) I woke up this morning, and I looked out my door. Thats the percentage of people fully vaccinated against Covid-19 who have not had a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization or death, according to the CDC. Editors picks Its a lot like writing a song about it. Theres not a lot of filler, not a lot of songs I would skip through, he says. The 200 Greatest Singers of All Time GROSS: So we have to take another short break here, so let me reintroduce you. During the #MeToo moment, much emphasis has been rightly placed on the need for women to guard themselves against the unrestrained appetites of male perpetrators. GROSS: The bail bondsmen are often their offices are often located in a very low-rent part of town. Elizaveta Porodina/Courtesy of the artist, Naming The Beast: Jason Isbell And Amanda Shires On Speaking Up In 2017. But she was very good at keeping a lot of secrets. Our technical director and engineer is Audrey Bentham. The song is named "Parking Lot Pirouette" for its protagonist's graceful forwardness, her decisive movement to prolong a pleasurable dalliance. Teaching himself to hear his own songs objectively has been one of the harder lessons to learn, he says: Its impossible to get that distance for me. SHIRES: I mean, I think theyre pretty good. They do tell you that going out and helping other people really helps you a lot. I was snared by your wrist. Theres still just as much awe.. And I had been internally bleeding for a whole lot of hours. Her study essentially proves that when folks cant have an abortion, it affects their mental health, their economic standing, their overall well-being. So I was left to the radio choices of sports ball and country top 40 country music. Im your Amanda. Me and @JasonIsbell RCA studio B making a musical recording. GROSS: Was this your mothers father or your fathers father? Im Terry Gross, and this is FRESH AIR. One is a Honduran asylum-seeker who died while trying to cross the border. If you share your story or share your beliefs, youre going to get some haters and trolls. Its yet another thing that, when policing does happen, is going to happen haphazardly and ruin lives. ISBELL: (Singing) Im on your side. Are they just going to sit around and drink beer? We just couldnt get along. So by the time I went into the hospital, my fallopian tube had already ruptured. And I was like, thats what I want to do, because you play this song. I want to talk with you about The Highwomen. People forget that, if you take away access to reproductive healthcare, youre going to be killing moms like me. Wills was the father of western swing. Like, I know that in all of the searching that he did still believe that there was something bigger out there, so I dont have to go trying to learn all these other things. When it came down to it, when I finally got it done and recorded, Amy Coney Barrett had gotten sworn in. Opening with solemn piano chords, The Problem features Isbells voice first, then Shires joins, and the pair trade lines as they move the story along. Thank you for your songs. The 100 Best Albums of 2022. And so I got to do that basically because I was willing to work in a group and play a part and do just that thing and show up on time. And luckily, my teacher was one of those good and rare teachers that notices when you know, when a student needs a little more help. I see you talking, but I cant hear a thing. And this is the iteration of the band Bob Wills & His Texas Playboys, which got their start in they were most famous in the 30s and 40s and 50s. AMANDA SHIRES: (Singing) Youre leaving now through the hole of an argument. GROSS: You forced yourself in the position of having him hear you play? And I said, I dont know. It felt like maybe wed both leave at the same time. As they talked, I said, itd be cool if I was The Highwomen or maybe had a band The Highwomen. I was like, Thats what I want to do, because you play this song and then you get to improvise you just play what you feel within the chord. GROSS: Yeah. But this part of my life in our marriage was difficult. I would have died had this procedure not been available to me. You can say its all my fault. Why didnt more people show up and speak up? I recorded my interview with her last week. That last talk left me a makeup rainbow of tears, turned everything blurry. I heard witchcraft in the whispers and I knew my time had come. SHIRES: Well, that was that parts a secret, Terry. I never wouldve thought that before, but now I know its true. It de-stigmatizes the conversation. And Natalie said, I want the one about preaching. And because I was in the time of my life where I was having a disconnect in my marriage and not feeling great in with music but I discovered that it takes a lot to be vulnerable, and it takes a lot to talk to folks and to understand each other. Not standing up for folks is not helping and its not right. When Shires was in the hospital giving birth to their daughter, Mercy, in 2015, she had to disclose to her doctor, with her husband and mother in the room, that shed had an abortion. Tomorrow on FRESH AIR, well talk about the power, promise and potential harm of YouTube. The song is called Hawk For The Dove.. She gets pregnant and wants to have an abortion, although she doesnt feel great about it. Some of the reason [The Problem] is only coming out now is fear on my part, and Ill admit that. Long before weathering the isolating COVID-19 pandemic, Shires had endured years of studio experiences where producers and musicians undermined her Since writing that op-ed, I have had reproductive healthcare that some might call an abortion when I was hospitalized in Texas on August 9, 2021, with a ruptured fallopian tube caused by an ectopic pregnancy. SHIRES: My whole left arm is tattoos of Leonard Cohen. Will you look at me the same? SHIRES: I forced myself in that position. The subject isnt talked about enough, Shires says. And Zachs going to play guitar. Wade was leaked last month, Amanda Shires shared some personal news on social media. GROSS: Oh, yeah. With artists and concert promoters nationwide forced to confront a surging spike in infections and hospitalizations attributed to the spread of the delta variant, Grammy award-winning musician, Jason Isbell, announced Monday that he and his band, the 400 Unit, will require concertgoers to provide proof of vaccination or a negative Covid-19 test to attend all their future shows, whether they are held indoors or outdoors. And I know that he likes to help. Well be right back. I know the cost of flight is landing. Amanda Shires was named emerging artist of the year at the 2017 Americana Music and Honors Awards Ceremony. And then I thought about Waylon [Jennings] and Kris [Kristofferson] and them of The Highwaymen, and I was like, They were kind of speaking about ageism. I said, Itd be cool if I had a band, The Highwomen. Then I told my friend Dave Cobb about my idea and he really liked it and he said, Im going to have you meet Brandi Carlile. And we met. Why was that the verse that you wrote or sang for yourself? SHIRES: I didnt know anything about them. Home to the Grand Ole Opry from 1943-1974, the Ryman earned the moniker \"Mother Church of Country Music\" as the genres of country and bluegrass developed on its stage and found a national audience on radio and television. SHIRES: Sure. SHIRES: Yeah. But anyway so I went and I sat down in my barn of internal wandering. Amanda Shires, performing during the Americana Awards at Ryman Auditorium on Sept. 22, 2021 in Nashville. When we left off, we were talking about when Shires was 15 and started playing fiddle with the Texas Playboys, which used to be Bob Wills band. And then coupled with the pandemic and all that, he was on self-preservation mode, and I was too. And I said, Id love to. And if you want a doctor, Ill examine every inch of you. If writing came easier sober, playing live was terrifying at first, he says. 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