Gene Vincent & The Blue Caps: 7/10 I think all of the others were placed appropriately. Vince Carter. Whitney Houston 214. From Wikipedia: "I Gotta Dance to Keep From Crying" The Who, Jimmy James. 7/10 = Solid Picks All You Touch and All You See: Dark Side of the Moon at 50. 1. I can't in good conscience not include Manu in the Pyramid. Nirvana and Radiohead belongs in the third. I kept the same ratio. 6)Patti Smith-Why is she in the hall again? 33. The Sixth Man award almost always goes to the NBAs highest-scoring bench player. The Book of Basketball - Bill Simmons 2010-12-07 . I just don't have a problem with it. I actually think that every act up there is almost exactly where they should be. Deep Purple: Level 3 If you consider what the Velvet Underground did to not be metal, then the Velvets. "Point It Out"' The Supremes and The Temptations. "Give Me Just Another Day" Young Jeezy (as the basis for his song, "Mr 17.5"), Schoolboy Q, Wade Waters, Christina Milian, Rick Ross, Marco Polo feat. 199. 9. That said, the O'Jays' and the Mamas And The Papas' scores of O.000 is absolutely ludicrous, if for no other reason than saying they have no "Fame" to their name is utterly absurd. Tupac Shakur: 10/10 That's who he is. That's it. Sly & The Family Stone: 10/10 Magic, 4. Your Account; Logout; Login; Create Account; You're invited! Level 3 The Ronettes Bob Cousy, 23. Current popularity and connection to grunge aside, Neil Young isn't worthy of the high ranking he's been afforded. By kbarbs37. Pearl Jam Chris Mullin, 94. "Mickey's Monkey" Mother's Finest, Martha and the Vandellas, The Supremes, The Hollies, The Young Rascals, John Mellencamp, Lou Christie, Cannibal & the Headhunters, The C.A.Quintet, The Defenders, Chris Catena, The Sugar Beats, The Mac Truque. The Van Halen brothers managed to get rid of both their main lead singers. 130. Were they the greatest team of all time? Rod Stewart: 8/10 No. It's well-researched, engaging, and I found myself discovering information about players I never knew. Queen and Black Sabbath, by far. Tim Duncan, 7. If you prefer to look at the Hall of Famers in a sortable list, here is where to go. Jackson Browne If they don't? ), Posted by Joe on Wednesday, 03/25/2020 @ 22:48pm. 159. There have been 9 completed seasons since then, so I added 14 new players for a total of 110. Does anyone have the new Bill Simmons Pyramid from the Book Of Basketball 2.0? John Fogerty of CCR is pretty deserving in this respect too. Chicago James Brown didn't either but he was arguably much closer to rock than Ray Charles was while he was performing, same goes for Stevie Wonder. For rap artists, I would get rid of Public Enemy and replace them with 2Pac or Eminem and move Run DMC and Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five up higher. Were they just dominant at times? That's at least 70+ years of music I'm combing through and constantly digging up gems. This website really needs to update the rock hall pyramid. Torae, and others. Simmons led . "I Like It Like That" (Miracles song)- Bobby Vee, Mitch Ryder & the Detroit Wheels. Most quiet inductee? The Grateful Dead Heart: 1 Michael Jackson 14. Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/11/2019 @ 18:40pm, Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/11/2019 @ 18:43pm. Lloyd Price My mistake, I met question 9 and "most nicest", not 7 and "most mean". Ritchie Valens: 7/10 Eddie Cochran: 9/10 Lou Reed it was neutral. Kraftwerk if they ever get in deserves at least a 4, comparable to the Velvet Underground for a band with little commercial success (in the USA anyway) that had major long term impacts on the course of future music trends. 2/10 = Failure Tracy McGrady, 89. If artist X is in, why isn't artist Y? 64. Yeah, the Pyramid's bias toward 60s musicians is palpable. I agree The Miracles are definitely a Level-4 act and agree with every word of your post. Posted by Handsome Bob on Thursday, 05/16/2019 @ 23:04pm. The former MVP has adapted and evolved to become an excellent conductor of Phillys offense. Pearl Jam 76. Billy Cunningham, 55. Bill Simmons Hall of Fame Pyramid Author Bosco Tung About 96 of the Greatest Basketball players of all time, as selected by Bill Simmons in The Book of Basketball in 2010. Joni Mitchell Let me know if my analogies don't work as well. Yes, this high. Posted by Mike on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 14:58pm, Radiohead is widely considered the most influential and important act since Nirvana. Whitney Houston-2, maybe 1 Chris Paul [from Level 1, below Carter]. DEFINITELY !! Questions 6 &7 are differnet type of questions. Even as he was on the downside of his career, he was still hitting huge shots that swung championships. When I complete the list, I'll link it here so you can read my reasons. 66. The "Lovin Spoonful: 5/10 Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 23:27pm, 2020 Ramones Before his ACL, he was the best player in the league. Joan Baez - 1 The Book of Basketball - Bill Simmons 2010-12-07 NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLER The NBA according to The Sports Guynow updated with fresh takes on LeBron, the Celtics, and more! Dire Straits- 2 2nd tier works. Dusty Springfield Jerry Lee Lewis Established in 1957 by the Amateur Softball Association (ASA), the National Softball Hall of Fame and Museum is a permanent shrine to the men and women who played the game so well. All The Jurassic Park films Journey Paul McCartney: 8/10 Jimmy Cliff: 5/10 38. Without music, lyrics are just words on a sheet of paper. (when you say the U.K., does this include Australia? These questions and more are broken down in our third Pyramid Podcast with Bills former Grantland colleague, ESPNs Zach Lowe. Then, on Feb. 24, 2019, he revised Curry to be top 20. I still have no idea how Dirk managed to get that group to the Finals and then win the whole thing. 57. The Temptations: 10/10 Bill Haley & The Comets: 9/10 Tommy Heinsohn, 65. Tom Waits Eminem (Last one for awhile, maybe Kanye will reach that when he is eligible), Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 02:19am. P.S. This is me being honest. Favorite induction year? "I've Been Good To You" Marshall Crenshaw, Brenda Holloway, Joe Meek, The Temptones, Ray, Goodman & Brown (The Moments), The Ones, The Temptations. 1990 Ma Rainey 1991 Simmons believes that Nolan Ryan was a Tier 4 Baseball HoFer, while acknowledging that several people wouldn't put Nolan Ryan in the Hall at all. A half-century ago, Pink Floyd unleashed a classic that still lingers on the Billboard charts and in college dorms to this day. I can't put a guy in Level 4 who never got to the Finals. On which levels do you think each of these artists belongs? Level 3 you like simmons a lot. Blondie: 8/10 If I had to create a pyramid from this year's nominations alone, this is how I would create it. "From Head to Toe" Elvis Costello, Chris Clark Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five YOU TELL ME !!! 36 Sly and the Family Stone Most loudest inductee (outside the Metal genre)? Smokey Robinson & The Miracles: 10/10 Beyond that, a proper redesigning would go something like this: Michael Jackson: 10/10 Posted by AlexVoltaire on Thursday, 01/25/2018 @ 23:09pm. With the Shaq/Kobe era crumbling against a hungry 2004 Pistons team, Shaquille ONeal tried to save the day with a memorable throwback performance. They wrote 95 % of their OWN HITSplus hits for THE TEMPTATIIONS , MARVIN GAYE, MARY WELLS, THE MARVELETTES,and NUMEROUS OTHERS !! I'm like 300 pages in and the pyramid hasn't even started, I just finished the 33 suggestions to improve the NBA after that inmediatly comes the pyramid, let me see if I can find it for you. "I've Been Good To You" Marshall Crenshaw, Brenda Holloway, Joe Meek, The Temptones, Ray, Goodman & Brown (The Moments), The Ones, The Temptations. Elvis Costello and the Attractions You love him. 150. Jay-Z and Biggie Smalls are in the most appropriate level. Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11/2/2013 @ 11:04am. Posted by EDS on Saturday, 05/5/2018 @ 16:49pm. 122. Your favorite inductees (You can pick at least 7) 2016 by fjdbookreview. 7. It's high time that we recognize their limitations as exactly that and take them down off the arbitrary pedestal they were perverse placed on. Bob Marley: 10/10 211. Top Gun 70. 46. Most civilized inductee? It ended up being his last great Lakers game. Fela Kuti (Level 1) 153. Corey Finn, Foo Fighters: 8/10 And Green Day and Pearl Jam are 100% 1s if I've ever seen one. He was (and still is) well-regarded by just about everyone regardless of genre. Although, I'm from Bloomington and John Mellencamp also has a reputation for being a legendary asshole, so he gets an Honorable mention. The Who Re: Bill Simmons NBA Hall of Fame Pyramid, Quote from: Josh on June 02, 2010, 10:22:44 pm, Quote from: cheloLP on June 02, 2010, 10:18:57 pm, Quote from: Josh on June 02, 2010, 11:17:05 pm, Quote from: Josh on June 02, 2010, 11:31:51 pm, Quote from: t-mac357 on June 02, 2010, 11:38:30 pm, Privacy Notice/Your California Privacy Rights, Topic: Bill Simmons NBA Hall of Fame Pyramid (Read 15826 times). He's an 11-time All-Star (everyone with 8 or more appearances is in the actual hall) and was the 3rd best player on two Champs and two Finalists. James Brown & The Famous Flames: 10/10 Isaac Hayes: 7/10 I understand their attempts, and respect it to some degree. We rank historical figures just as Google ranks webpages, by integrating a diverse set of measurements about their reputation (including PageRank, article length, and readership) into estimates of their fame, explained by a combination of achievement (gravitas) and celebrity. "Do It Baby"- Jimmy Ponder, Red Holt (of Young-Holt Unlimited). Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 03:39am. He didn't make ESPN's recent list of the 74 best players ever which is straight dumb. 62. Posted by Scott on Thursday, 10/8/2015 @ 16:53pm, Posted by Scott on Thursday, 10/8/2015 @ 16:55pm. Madonna should not even be there and in the pyramid's scheme she is higher that Frank Zappa and Jefferson Airplane? U2: 10/10 1987 Louis Jordan Stockton at 30 and CP3 at 42. Level 1: Chicago: 6/10 He never got over the hump (I'm using past tense because the Rockets are done as contenders, unless there is some COVID-19 weirdness), and that was mostly on him. And to all of the rest of you, whether you are Miracles fans or NOT: Your favorite inductees (You can pick at least 7)? Beastie Boys: 9/10 Most weird inductee? He popularized the stretch 4 in some respects as he extended his range out towards the back half of The Heatles experiment. Read our Privacy Policy and Cookie Policy to get more information and learn how to set up your preferences. Too many, though I'd probably say the Stones for starters. Bill Simmonss new podcast breaks down the NBAs most important games, players, and teams, extending and reinventing his New York Times no. One thing I will say about Young's music is that his attempt at electronica in the early 1980s was completely laughable and ill-advised. 62. Not to be too much of a Ramones basher, but look at the bands they rated above. He could've gone anywhere, but to Golden State and nobody would've held a grudge outside of those weirdos in Oklahoma. None of them were saints though. And yeah the Dead should have been a star on top of this pyramid, gazing down. Biggie Smalls-4 9. 13. So what happened? In a word, no. I agree with others that acts like Deep Purple, Yes, Nine Inch Nails, Kiss, Miles Davis, T. Rex, Whitney Houston & Nina Simone should be at 2. Santana Sam Cooke: 10/10 The Moonglows I might as well jump in on this poll: The Rock Hall rarely misses the no-brainer inductees. I'd at least move up Aretha, the Boss, and Bowie, Posted by Mike on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 14:50pm. Billy Joel The Flamingos: 6/10 Did they have transcendent songs and albums or memorable moments? * This only goes to the Rockist group who mostly bash on these types of artist and keep saying that the formerly snubbed-artist should be in already. I would like to do the # ratings of performers of every class, for this I'll be giving them a number between 0 -10 out of 10 based on influence & innovation on popular music. Duran Duran (Level 1 or 2) Taking risks? 147. The Doors: 10/10 "Who's Gonna Take The Blame" Capone N. Noreaga (as the basis of their song "Live On Live Long"). 109. 2. 1 bestselling book around the premise in 2009. Rosetta was put in as an Early Influence, but I get what you mean; man, they really let some of these sections go to waste! Kareem, 3. 106. Posted by Andrew on Sunday, 05/4/2014 @ 22:12pm. "Don't Let It End (Till You Let It Begin)-Betty Everett . Carl Perkins: 10/10 Randy Newman Buffalo Springfield: 6/10 208. Posted by Dan on Wednesday, 07/24/2013 @ 17:34pm. 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miracles_discography Donna Summer (middle 3rd) Gasol won't get overlooked for the actual hall because of his int'l resume, but his NBA resume is pretty damn solid too. Stevie Wonder: 10/10 Bill breaks it down with his former ESPN colleague J.A. Neil Young Journey Nope! The first change I would make to this pyramid: Michael Jackson to Level 5, perhaps replacing Jimi Hendrix. Bill Simmons Hall of Fame Pyramid ABA All-Time Team NBA & ABA All-Star Game All-Star Game Selections by Player All-NBA and All-NBA Team Selections by Player All-Defensive Team Selections by Player NBA Referee Awards Greg Willard Spirit Award NCAA Season Awards AP Player of the Year Award John R. Wooden Award Paul Pierce, 53. Run-DMC 2/10 = Failure "Who's Gonna Take The Blame" Capone N. Noreaga (as the basis of their song "Live On Live Long"). You want to know about influence? Was Kazaam better than Steel? He was one of the first rock and rollers to incorporate politics and social issues and he mostly did that during his solo career. RHCP: 9/10 Bobby Womack Bob Seger: 7/10 Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 03/10/2013 @ 00:04am. Posted by Corey Finn on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 11:14am. 2020: The Beach Boys 5 11. SEE FOR YOURSELF !! Posted by Follower on Friday, 01/11/2019 @ 18:50pm. Here are the questions: Moody Blues - 2 This site is not affiliated in any way with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum 206. "A Fork in the Road " Rebbie Jackson The ultimate example of a band that had lots of hits but did nothing to develop rock 'n roll (Jackson Browne, John Mellencamp, Buffalo Springfield, Percy Sledge, Laura Nyro, Donovan, The Lovin' Spoonful, George Harrison, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, The Pretenders, Neil Diamond, and Randy Newman are all runners-up for the title of least qualified inductee) Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers: 9/10 John Lennon should be moved way, way down. Van Halen I would also move Buddy Holly And The Crickets up to the top. Dion, Posted by Paul K on Wednesday, 10/22/2014 @ 00:11am. Most civilized: Cat, Smokey, Bruce how NBA Hall of Fame inductees should be chosen but how the institution must be reshaped from the ground up, the result being the Pyramid: Simmons's one-of-a-kind five-level shrine to the ninety-six greatest players in the history of pro Fats Domino comes off as a classy and humble man in every interview and film I've seen of him. They both were a lot closer to the rock world than Ray Charles was during the bulk of their careers. Whitney Houston: 9/10 The O'Jays: 7/10 178. Bill Cathcart WTOC TV 2014 118. 59. Dennis Rodman. Tier 2 - Dire Straits, The Cars, Yes, ELO 9/10 = All Time Greats "Way Over There" The Royal Counts, The Temptations, Edwin Starr, The Marvelettes, New Man, Eddie Adams Jr. For some reason they never get as much credit as they deserve (especially when compared to other Motown artists like Marvin Gaye, The Supremes and The Temptations). Listen, he's going to win his 2nd MVP award at some point in the next few months. The Pretenders: 8/10 "5)Elvis Costello-Alison, and I cannot name another song. And, while you're thinking about THAT, Consider THIS: 15. The Police: 9/10 Bill Simmons definitely understands basketball. Updated, thanks! And before anyone criticizes my choices by comparison to the current inductees and where they're at on the pyramid, I don't agree with quite a few choices and placements, and would make this pyramid pretty differently. For example, in the Aug. 16, 2018 episode, Simmons told Curry his latest ranking of #16-#27 and had Curry at #24. 111. Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers: 9/10 Bowie is so upstream of many, many acts. Something went wrong. It's that "X" Factor that separates true legends from also-rans.The Men from the Boys. Posted by M. Scott on Friday, 09/23/2016 @ 02:41am. The Go - Go's: 7/10 125. If someone HAD to go for him, it would probably be Ray Charles. Rage Against the Machine (Level 1 or 2) Seriously? Parliament - Funkadelic: 10/10 I'd probably move David Bowie & U2 to 5 level. And that's the Simmons Pyramid, right? Al Green At least FIVE ACTS in Level 5 of this Pyramid have PUBLICLY ADMITTED that THEY and/or their MUSIC has been INFLUENCED by 2018 2004 Bill Haley (and His Comets) Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for The Book of Basketball : The NBA According to the Sports Guy by Bill Simmons. But as long as they are moved up to the 4th tier, I will not be very disappointed. "Give Me Just Another Day" Young Jeezy (as the basis for his song, "Mr 17.5"), Schoolboy Q, Wade Waters, Christina Milian, Rick Ross, Marco Polo feat. Posted by Nick Posted by The_Claw on Friday, 01/26/2018 @ 04:11am. I'd also argue that Judas Priest, LL Cool J and Kraftwerk deserve to be on the pyramid as they are in no way sidemen or pre-rock. Whats legacy, anyway? Righteous Brothers: Influenced Hall & Oates, Laura Nyro, and Paul Simon. I'd say a tier down at least. "Baby Baby Don't Cry" Gerald Wilson and His Orchestra, Projekt. This list is made in 2010, so Lebron is still 20th. 117. ARE YOU KIDDING ME ?? LEVEL 4 ? The Book of Basketball - Bill Simmons 2010-12-07 . Handy, Roy Brown, Charley Patton, Lightin Hopkins, Percy Mayfield, Big Mama Thornton and Cab Calloway as well as a few jazz singers like Ornette Coleman, Lee Morgan, and Bill Evens. Join us for a Stathead virtual panel to kick off the 2022-23 NBA Season on October 12 at 7pm ET. Designated for marginal acts who are considered "Borderline Hall of Famers," either because of the Zombies Factor (great career, not long enough) or the Bon Jovi Factor (very good for a long time, rarely great). And oh, yeah, let's get the Moody Blues IN before we decide which tier they should be on. Least deserving inductee (anyone but Madonna, ABBA, or any Hip Hop inductees*)? Tupac - 3 10. I can nitpick about some of the placements, but a solid list nonetheless, I hate the Warriors but this is underselling Curry. 116. 1994 Willie Dixon Will we remember the 2010s for Curry or LeBron? 7/10 = Solid Picks Both have had three great years. Saving Private Ryan Can't see any update yet. The Beach Boys: 10/10 James Brown (and the Famous Flames) Absolutely nothing you can learn from a song that can't already be ascertained from a documentary or history lecture. Paul Westphal, 90. In addition, the Miracles have been regarded as the most covered act in Motown's roster and have influenced numerous artists worldwide in the last 50 years. 7Pm ET: 15 '' Elvis Costello, Chris Clark Grandmaster Flash and the Family Stone most loudest (. 01/26/2018 @ 04:11am Influenced hall & Oates, Laura Nyro, and Paul Simon Mitch. Hop inductees * ) include Manu in the pyramid goes to the rock hall pyramid hall of in! 9 completed seasons since then, so I added 14 new players a. 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