As someone who has OCD I would appreciate if everyone commenting here would look up the mental condition. If Im interpreting the autopsy correctly he effectively smothered and strangled at the same time but I never see this mentioned anywhere. They are good at lying and work very hard at appearing normal and very important to be liked. Considering the size of shananns house before they moved there. Not a chance she would have run the risk of waking up the children by going into their rooms she knew theyd be fine as shed often said Chris was a good Dad. The autopsy is commenced at 1730 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Celeste Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. no she was a good mom who looked after her kids! CeCe was face down no oil inside her. In the majority of cases of asphyxiation, petechiae are formed, and Shanann exhibited none. @Nickhi, in answer to your question about the suitcase she might have been so exhausted and wanting to get to bed right away that she left it downstairs, figuring she would deal with it in the morning. Even in this scenario, you would expect fingernails in his forearm if Watts managed a rapid 10 second kill. Also I agree much is still withhhed from the public. The girls were wearing nightgowns, Cece a pink nightgown with birds on it, and Bellas nightgown had a unicorn or believe on it. And where do you think he did it? She should have seen my house when my kids were little. Shanann was wrapped in a sheet. And about the **bra thing** (on or off, sleep or not), well this is a big deal to me, because I think it can be considered an indicator as to time of death, or at least, it can confirm she had the chance to get out of the clothes she came home in before she was attacked and killed. I am 57, I weigh 132 lbs.. .,,, I had my husband straddle my chest and pin my arms down and Im telling you right now, I could not move. He also is the male submissive in F/m relationships. Not one place on his body? And then I freaked out and hurt her., He whispered, Sheshe smothered them. But thats me. Shanann Watts. The girls were described as light sleepers, and I wonder if this was because in fact they were sleeping too much, because wow, that is a lot of sleep, even for their ages. If the children had cold pizza for tea at 7pm, that means they were still alive until at least 11pm. read befor comment on subjectit is well describedecomposition did this. Subdued and buried alive perhaps? They went to her house and observed her car in the garage. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. I also have seen that neighbors vid of the loading of truck & see a female in video helping him load up , and even a small luve figure of a child. The autopsy report said that Shanann had a "history of being reported missing and subsequently found unresponsive in obvious state of death in a shallow grave." The cause of death was. No. Bella fought back, according to the prosecutor, Denver Channel reported. parents are hardly ever at the ones to determine that nothing can be done to save their children. Chris only saw things with one lense. Watts pleaded guilty to murdering Shanann, Celeste and Bella to avoid the death penalty. If the digestive tract opens up at death, where did Shannan, Bella and Celeste poop? And then you test it in various scenarios. Remember, she was pregnant. Or do they just know? Ive never personally had a child repeatedly behave as the girls did, and pleasea disclaimer here. He said kidnap somebody, murder somebody. Watts buried Shannan's body in a shallow grave and dumped his daughters' bodies into an oil tank at the oil and gas exploration site where he worked in Frederick, Colorado, US. That is what is difficult; without a trial we have no way of knowing all the forensic evidence and what tests the state started to perform or did perform. @Nick, regarding OCD. It was already reported that Shannan evacuated her bowels when dying and that is why he took the sheet off, He told police that. My closets and nightstand is much cleaner than hers and I dont have OCD. Everyone did think I was the nutty one by what he said cause he was a great guy to them. Fecal traces also missing in the Zahau case. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE. Chris is a monster. At the end of the day there are no good reasons to commit murder, especially of ones own flesh and blood, but there may be valuable lessons to learn from figuring out how this could have happened. Carol, I think you are absolutely spot on, and on all points too. Cuz if shed already died she would have not been engaged in the act of strangling her like he said. In the new clip, the cold-hearted killer is wearing t-shirt, shorts and flip flops as officers secure. On page one of the report in the list of Diagnoses, it states:- I wouldnt throw that out the window. He found her phone between the cushions. While some muscles spontaneously contract after death and though all muscles eventually tighten into rigor mortis others are loosening their grip entirely. Also, if memory serves, CW did at least one load of laundry on the night in question. Ugh. He then pursued and strangled her there. She felt that he is going out to pour oil on the bodies to dispose of them. Her husband spoke to Chris and he was not shedding a tear about his missing family.. Theres really not much to say about this, right? Typo. The full autopsy reports are included below: Watts Aggregate Autopsy Reports by EKilloran on Scribd, MANHUNT: Hobby Lobby Distribution Center Manager Shot Dead in Altercation With Employee, 16-Year-Old High School Student Fatally Stabbed in Classroom Fight, Young Child FaceTimes for Help After 4 Members of Family Slain, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time, In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on. Im convinced that he did the same to Shanann. She was an environmental science person. Shanann was in there with her on top of her. Shan'ann, Bella and Celeste Watts 25 Page Autopsy Report | TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek CRIME NEWS WATTS KNOX JonBenet MCCANN WM3 PENDING TOOLBOX TCRS YOUTUBE ARCHIVE My question is how do you smother someone with your bare handscover/press their nostrils and mouths? Her house was immaculate, I envy that she was able to keep everything like that. Shanann Watts' husband, Chris Watts allegedly confesses to murder The Colorado Bureau of Investigation reported that three-year-old Celeste Watts and four-year-old Bella Watts are also dead along with mom Shanann. Youre obviously trolling! 53 102 comments sorted by New Add a Comment If anything, I would say its more like few / some. The t-shirt she was found in looks very similar to the one she is seen wearing in the neighbours cctv footage of her arrival back home. Just a thought. He said it took minutes, the police reports say. She hurt my kids., Chris said, Theyre in a freakin oil tank. During decomposition, gasses cause stuff to come out but thats a different matter. Much more interest in the case in his home state; in Wisconsin, hes just a number. That is simply a common misconception/stereotype that is very harmful and untrue. They obviously didnt watch the K9 body cam footage! How was she about her childrens allergies? Does this mean Bella was still alive when she was dropped into the tank? ShanAnn claimed to be pulling down $80,000 a year. As far as the OCD I dont believe she had it. We cannot have that thing on earth with us. No evidence of cake or undigested dinner. The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life. Ive wondered if he made her a drink when she got home, a smoothie with some type of alcohol that you wouldnt taste in it to knock her out because she didnt drink. The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life.. I was married to someone, super attentive dad, husband. A Stranglehold can incapacitate and render unconsciousness within 5 11 seconds. And, as you point out in one of your replies to anothers comment about the oil in her body, there was no oil in her lungs, in her stomach yes, in her lungs no. The LeVel MLM was a huge contributing factor in this familys financial collapse. Very CW. Maybe we can do a group letter and petition: dear Watts, what happened??! CeCe did not have any marks & I attribute that to her age, not understanding what was happening & Im sure she lost consciousness quickly as she had breathing problems. Cause if it was the way CW said she would have fought back. Even more common with pregnant women. Chris said he forgot the phone. Its something so outside my wheelhouse that I didnt even know it could me done. Also, we usually can find some urine, fecal material, body fluid on the bed sheet and the quilt. When youre pregnant you do, breasts get tender and the extra support helps. I guess my vanity rubbed off on her. The reports concluded that all three victims died of asphyxiation Shanann was strangled while the two girls were smothered, according to the reports. He knew this too, which is why he was so brazen using the card that weekend. Police reportsPhotos of the Watts family in the police reports. Shanann had only (ap autopsy) "probable bruising on the anterior subcutaneous neck tissue" sweetbreez 4 yr. ago Like the previous commenter said, LE explained that it had to do with her being buried in the sand vs the oil. Only feces already in the lower part of the large intestine/colon is going to evacuate and even then- it depends on the position of the body, the amount of decomposition and rigor mortis. Kinda odd. I dont think enough people are looking at the theory that Chris had flipped a switch with her in the days leading to her death. After 2nd child, changed. I see it is listed as pronounced and no estimates of time for cause of death? Even the few days shannan was gone. I think she died in bed after being knocked unconscious using Marks ethanol method. Chriss demeanor was nonchalant. Whereas if he left at lets say 3 am. Once into the oil she gulped in the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge and died as a result of this as well as being unconscious. Nickole called Christopher Watts and requested he come home and check on Shanann. Shannan did not have any marks on her face indicative of a punch, slap, or anything at all. Some people believe his story that Shannan killed the kids like he said. You wrote a book blaming Shannan- seems to me youre just throwing your assumptions around. I have to wonder if somehow she woke up and saw what happened to her Mommy. A tee-shirt and undies is a Sleeping Uniform for many women, another fact. (this is horrific and the worst thing in the whole case, in my opinion). If he straddled her chest, and pins her arms down with his knees, she would have been incapacitated. No one deserves what happened to those kids and their mother-you have issues. Several life experiences may also have contributed to and promoted OCD-like behaviours in Shanann too the loss of financial control during bankruptcy, divorce, car accident, illness etc all contribute to a person seeking the need for regaining control of their life which can manifest as a place for everything and everything in its place behaviours. like others, cannot wrap my brain around his behavior. Everything else was secondary or something to be minimized so she could focus on her addiction. Could be so because Shanann had no defensive wounds and he said she didnt fight. It doesn't appear that the autopsy did a very thorough check. Now remember this would be AFTER strangling Shannan carrying her to their room & putting her in bed, so at least 5 minutes and since it would have taken about 4 minutes for CeCe to die 9 minutes had passed supposedly since Shannan had been in her room. I was near death before my ex took his hands off my neck. Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to manual strangulation by another individual. Like 1 in the kitchen by her purse. One body was face down in the south side of the tank. Here is the parts in Shanann's autopsy report that says the stuff about how her hair was sloughing, that she had skin slippage & bloating/decomposing had started. I own this site, and have posted hundreds of blogs, and written 4 books on the Watts case. However, the autopsy does not detail the size or spacing of these marks sufficiently to form an educated opinion. I would put the blame on Chris! Perhaps they had one via phone or text. I think despite her bravado, she had insecurities just like everyone else, with both herself, and her roles as wife and mother AND someone working in an MLM. Donald, the house has bedrooms upstairs and a central family room with a couch and TV in between the master and the girls bedrooms. Air chokes have been associated with fractures of the larynx or hyoid bone and are considered less safe than blood chokes in these applications. The next morning, visible fingerprints (the circular marks on Shaanns autopsy), so visible that others took notice. False nails like ShanAnn was so fond of wearing dont scratch skin as effectively as natural nails do they arent as sharp. The toxicology results likely represent decomposition and an artifact of being submerged in an oil tank for several days. Rigor mortis lasts 8-12 hours. Police saw a bed sheet. My youngest daughter slept in a bra as well. Do you have any family that said she had OCD? And even if he did not kill them twice so to speak, he killed the on in front of the other with no thoughts to their fear levels or anything but yet you put all the blame on another of the victims. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. -nickvdl. Theyd quietly suffocate no violent confrontation, very peaceful. He has to be asked if he EVER went to look at Bella and see what condition she was in. This behavior is opposed to the dignity and respect of another person. Hed let her snuggle him that morning. Shanann was found in a shallow grave at an oil site near the drums. However, prosecutors maintained that Watts killed his pregnant wife and the two girls, and eventually he pleaded guilty to the crimes. He knew now that he had to kill Shanann because she would find out. The reports show that the bodies of both little girls were placed inside oil containers with a narrow opening that was only 8 inches in diameter. I did. Its completely obvious from videos that the wife was a nut job, self absorbed, controlling weirdo that undermined her husband constantly..so leave her ass!! Exhausting and she was pregnant. She often plied them with food and treats and I just felt like she needed to set some boundaries. DENVER (CBS4) The district attorney in Weld County says the autopsy reports are complete for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters found dead at . In the first half of this demo, you have them face to face when the attack occurs. C . The one person who took a few breaths almost immediately fainted. I did hear shananns mom say let them in her daughters house. Lack of defensive injuries. But then I think if he didnt was he going to leave them at home alone all day? Also in his re-enactment they also didnt add up. I know plenty of women who wear their bras to sleep, myself included. Infuriating! I have come to think of her OCD tendencies as a bit like the way she was around her kids. Heartbreaking evidence photos and video of stained shirt, underwear and bra Shanann Watts was wearing when her husband murdered her, wrapped her in a sheet and put her in shallow grave The. Chris Watts. through the skin in heated arguments which are undetectable to the human nose in the same way attraction pheromones are undetectable to our noses ). @Nick I thought the bedsheets in the bedroom were soiled? Gastrointestinal Tract: If youre not OCD, it doesnt mean Shanann wasnt. Then he asks to talk to his dad. Frank and Sandy Rzucek, and their son Franky, tell CBS4 they have been physically, emotionally and financially exhausted by unfounded claims by conspiracy theorists who believe they played roles . Ive linked an article below for everyone to read about how harmful perpetuating this lie is. Correct. @huey Please read todays post where it reads He said he was downstairs, came back up and they were gone. He also said he didnt know where they were and he thought they were coming back. I know that OCD was mentioned on several instances in the Discovery by those who knew her, but do they have the qualifications to make that diagnosis? He doesnt have a soul!!!!! I believe it was to make her feel more at ease, able to sleep instead of up all night crying. Time of death for all three victims is unknown. Mark, that is really interesting! Chris only had one small scar on his body, consistent with this theory. Thats why the strangulation was gentle, not violent, as the hyoid was not broke, and there were no defensive wounds to her or him. 5 PM the previous evening, as many of us believe, then by the time he was ready to pass them through the thief hatches, theyd be pliable again. Does anyone know where I can view the autopsy pictures and/or videos? Unfortunately she never got the chance. How does pretending to be asleep and cowardice align with murder? She probably snuggled up next to him & was able to fall asleep. I havent finished reading the Discovery yet (just at the freaky prison fan mail/hate mail) but I havent read anything yet about any DNA testing of the sheets? And I doubt this person is a doctor who can just diagnose ppl he doesnt know either. The autopsy report found that Shanann was in her second trimester of pregnancy and that the "largely decomposed fetus and placental unit" was found "expelled from the gravid uterus." Shanann returned home from a business trip on the early morning hours of August 13, 2019. he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. Have you read the 2000 page discovery? It wouldnt have mattered about sleeping in the same bra and panties as shed travelled in she was going to be waking up at 4am when Chris woke as shed asked him to wake her and the hair care product purchase attempt was around 2am, so what would 2 more hours mean? Late stage of pregnant. The Watts family killings and the financial devastation, infidelity, and what appears on the videos as a mindless neglect of the children overlay all these sad accounts. Ella no tomaba ni la basura tampoco, lo dijo la nana de las bebs. Do you think Shanann was the type of person to leave her suitcase downstairs and just go to bed? Death by asphyxiation in each case. In addition, it became clear that she used bed as a punishment. The reports had been sealed until the outcome of the trial. @Kaye Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself.>>>When he murdered Shanann, how do you think he did it? Addendum: The cadaver dog wasaso very interested in the washing machine and his handler, Jayne, says quite clearly that her dog has scented death by the machine (check the K9 video, but watch the volume, the cadaver dogs bark is quite shrill! I'm not sure whether the restrictions on health related information had a bearing on this aspect, or the Thrive aspect, or both. So I do see how Chris did this and ended up with no defensive injuries from her. Also, in the 2-4 minutes it took him to kill Shannan, this father who would never hurt his kids, never looked at the visible baby bump and thought Im killing the baby too, I need to stop. They were invited by Shannans family to attend the funerals and did not even show. Chokeholds and Strangleholds are used in martial arts, combat sports, self-defence, law enforcement and in military hand to hand combat applications. Have they watched something? According to the arrest affidavit and footage from a security camera in the interview room, he failed a polygraph test and subsequently confessed to murdering Shanann. If you look at the autopsy report she has purple round spots on 1 side of her face from the chin to the temple which could be his knuckles from a punch as well as a 1 handed strangulation. What was the motive? He said in his admissions that she deficated during the murder in thier bed, where he wrapped her in a sheet and moved her to the floor immediately- where he was interrupted by the girls waking up (after his first attempt to kill them by suffocating them in thier sleep)- the girls were killed in his truck CeCe was wearing a diaper, so even if she had deficated or urinated it would be unclear after days in the crude oil.. And Bella was likely not dead but simply unconscious again when he dumped her body- therefore, even if she did relax enough to evacuate her bowels and bladder- it wasnt until she was in the crude oil tank. I meant three perfectly formed humans. No, ONE fully-formed, perfect adult and TWO fully-formed, perfect BABIES. Areas of bruising, external. I hope he gets what he deserves while he is in prison!!!!!! Please God Forgive me for everything.. I have NO doubt that CW did a choke-hold on his wife from behind or right side, rendering her unconscious while smothering her airwayshe never woke upis why she didnt struggle or stop him. Maybe im not reading this correctly or i missed it but what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids? It kills me because its pretty clear they went to bed like normal and were awoken to find him killing them. People with OCD can have obsessions related to a wide variety of things, including losing control, hurting others, unwanted sexual thoughts, and many more. The entire thing is one of the worst cases Ive ever heard of- and I think about those poor responders who retrieved the bodies May they find peace from those memories some day soon. Prior to taking the test he was asked a bunch of questions one of them was name some ways you could make somebody disappear. 19th Judicial District Attorney Michael Rourke said that Watts totally and deliberately ended four lives, smothering the girls. You know what they say, Sara.once you let your attacker get paper bags on your hands, theres no defending yourself. Chris cleaned all that up so quickly and completely?. 1. I go back & forth wondering if he planned on killing the kids, or if Bella saw & then he had too. I remember one video where shes tasting one of the Thrive bars and effusing over how delicious it is, while one of her daughters cries with hunger in the background, and ShanAnn tells the poor child, No, you cant have this this is Mommys. Please, if he was worried about the kids, then why did he kill them as well. It makes the crime even more heinous in my mind because it would have required a lot of thought concerning the logistics. Once youre already unconscious from sleep & then start losing air from throttling it would make you very disoriented & hard to come to fully conscious state & fight back before losing total consciousness again. I have always slept with a bra on and I am 43 years old, always. She had a separate closest for her shoes & purses. Can anyone comment about the oil content in the one childs stomach? The ground was visible disturbed. Celestes stomach was empty. There is cowardice involved but theres an easier way to attack and subdue someone than to wait for them to fall asleep. He was holding me down by sitting on me, one leg on each side of my stomache. Read Thomas Molletts forensic report https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. Shanann Watts Cause of Death: How Did the Colorado Mother Die? He says he never saw what happened to Bella because he was downstairs. To the extent on the spectrum that it played out is the horror. She said on one video her kitchen has to be very clean, I know people that have spotless kitchens but rest of house is a mess. The entire thing is horrific, but theres a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding going on several people mentioning the hyoid bone being in tact or the lack of patechia but I can tell you from experience- Ive seen severe patechia in a sick womans eyes and also in a drowning victim (age 2)- but in all 3 bodies Ive observed during transport or autopsy- none had patechia and none had thier hyoid disturbed- Ive only ever seen it broken in hanging/suicide cases or once in an auto accident that involved crushing injuries to the head and neck. I dont know her daily habits, but i use mine as an alarm. That discussion included stating she couldnt afford to live in Colorado as a single mom, AND she would have to immediately pull the girls out of school to save money. I just dont get it. She says did Shannan do something that made you do something? Those were my kids. He claimed he saw Shanann on top of Cece and that they were blue. He said he lost it and choked Shanann. So while he would have possibly had more of a mess to clean up with ShanAnn than with the girls, it was contained, unlike the mess of that horrid Patrick Frazee who killed Kelsey Berreth by braining her with a baseball bat. @nickvdl Hi. Based on the clothing they were found in, probably Chris pretended to be asleep. They manipulate, connive and plot. He couldnt get into anyways so I dont know what the plan was gonna be after. Hello everyone, The only thing that could have screwed with this is that $69 charge to the Lazy Dog. Here is what the International OCD Foundation says. And Ive also learned a LOT about her between videos, and every page of the 1,960 pages of documents released by authorities under Colorado statute. I sense some disciplinary issues, and Ive seen her being absolutely overwhelmed as to how to really effectively handle even the most basic of situations. Kids like he said diagnose ppl he doesnt have a soul!!!!!. 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