So, they have this idea, that if they publically expose the churchs harmful practice, and rub their nose in it, that the church will reform and cease such actions.. But from my point of view, it is up to US and not to them, to take the first step towards proper dialogue and peace talks. So lets just stick to the kindness, love, and respect, shall we? Shar, did you even took the time to read my looong post at this thread?? Of course, know and not know are the same words that are on the Know to Mystery Scale with Know at the top, and in order to get there you have to go through Not-Know. So there are these areas such as child labor and blocking access to medical care where I believe critics can legitimately point out criminality by scientology and try to get the government to act. My only regret is that it opens up Cathy Tweed to cruel second-guessing by people like you. The first time Tony reported on Tayler Tweed was from a phone conversation with her mother the day after her daughters funeral. The problem with this is that the brain can get sick. Bullshit. VERY high. Now, it should be clear enough what LRH thought about taking care of an Ill body by BOTH using the proper medical treatment and Assists which could be thought as the religious aspect of it AS EXPECTED from any religion. I am glad Leah and Mike are finally getting the truth out there. Do you know a reference that says they will have nothing to do with the mentally ill? All right then, thanks for the update from Irmas path! It is to THAT that I am objecting. In your blog post, you write There is a lot of information that neither Tony Ortega, nor Rachel Bernstein, nor Leah Remini, nor Mike Rinder have given you, yet I see no actual proof of any information, only anecdotal accounts of how they tried to help her. She was despondent about being alone for the holidays. No part of Breaking up families is illegal. To plant Memorial Trees in memory of Mrs. Pamela Devone Taylor Edwards, please click here to visit our Sympathy Store . You guys are cowards and pieces of shit for having her ceremony at Celebrity Center. Could you guys try to keep this somewhere in the vicinity of Cathy Tweed, Leah Remini and Scientology and the Aftermath? Youre extremely eager to call out Mike and Leah. Survey their public for disagreements wish the existing policies, and correct/modify them accordingly. There was no need to insult you. Her family tried to handle and began to disconnect, leaving Tayler very much adrift. You do know that the nazis invaded countries and built concentration camps, right? Then I watched a YouTube video from the Vulcan First Officer Chris Shelton where he was using Critical thinking to mock that absurd idea of an Anti-Scientology Cult. Getting rid of David Miscavige? And Ill take a look at those videos, thanks! But, for now, there were not many telecasts of Tyler Tweeds death cause on the news or any orbitary statements. Or you just like the anti Scientology narrative?. Need help? Unfortunately we have little . Let me enlighten you here, a little about how those answers look like. And they are all good friends, as far as I know. So they should pay taxes as any other professionals from the psychotherapy community do. No real mother would ever be truly at peace with a child blowing their head off. . The tax exemption could be either revoked or revised, and a fair payment plan could be allowed for any past payments required as a result of such a revocation or revision. The guy is NUTS, I thought. B) A thorough medical examination by a REAL doctor to locate possible deficiencies, and unknown illnesses or injuries; and a professional medical treatment done on whatever was found. I can sympathize with trying to use ones frame of reference to help their kid. He was born to Lynda LeGrone Bass and R. Eugene Bass, MD on May 18, 1982 in Atlanta, Georgia. Why do you think that Cathy Tweed is not human, just like you? They told this story. After the incredible inflow of Crazy hatred being generated by the show and coming in as comments on my blog the overwhelming majority of which I have trashed I am actually concerned for Cathy Tweeds safety. Hi Alanzo! Ian Taylor, who has died of cancer aged 64, was an international oil trading tycoon who also rescued Harris Tweed and chaired the trustees of the Royal Opera House, of which he was a generous . Marjorie was the Owner/Operator of Asheville Pool & Patio for over 20 years, dedicating 50 years of service to the company. Certainly, if one is sick to begin with, then the HCOPL: Policies on Physical Healing, Insanity and Sources of Trouble applies, specifically on this point : 3. However, cause of death was not disclosed. These same quote were used on Leahs show to make Cathy Tweed appear insane, as well: https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/20/tales-from-scientologys-hollywood-celebrity-centre-tayler-tweed-steven-mango/. With adults, I think its a slippery slope to tell them what they should or should not believe in and practice. Historic Notices 0. Sure. He doesnt take responsibility for the fact that it was HIM the one who got them into Scn in the first place, but now he just think of them as brainwashed, mind controlled, imprisoned, and having no free will to decide on their own. I consider my point PROVED! In fact, most of the time, this specific service is charged around $80-$125 an hour by such priests. I cant fault you on your logic. We love you, Tayler. Things CAN be reversed for the great good, and sanity can be restored. They are not really interested in reform and correct justice. View all 146,994 burial records for Mountain View Cemetery, Surnames T, in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, for British Columbia Genealogy Research, compiled by Vancouver Genealogy Volunteers Ex Ireland rugby player David Tweed dies aged 61 | Daily Mail Online Davy Tweed, 61, played international rugby five times for Ireland in the 1990s The unionist politician was convicted of. I guess that we will have to continue this interesting discussion at another forum, or through email lines, , Well, TC, a compelling posting, indeed. Its the fact that they threw her out that gets me. Require a physical examination from whatever practitioners of the physical healing arts may be competent and available;, 2. But Lauren hadnt seen Taylor in 10 years. Hell, I just got booted out of a Facebook group for being a little too conciliatory Scn theory-wise. : So, to answer your question, Gtsix, about, .how does the Church feel about psychiatry and receiving psychiatric treatment?, my answers to that is :, But somehow I feel that you HAD already seen that part of my reply the first time I posted it, . Thinking about this a bit more, the only set policy regarding suicide that Im aware of, is the routing-in metered interviews to the HGC (and possibly on sec checks), designed to filter-out undesirables. No religion has the freedom to deny medical care that then results in death. Of course you proved your point. But in any event, the world is full of false beliefs. Fortunately, I was able to take the mother of my daughter off the lines after she has been kept for almost 50 hours!!! Taylors folks disconnected from her and threw her out. You are defending a woman who dragged her daughter into a mythological realm of nonsense that refused to help her. Born in Burke County, NC on July 26, 1967, he was the son of the late Fred Ray Tweed and Mildred Jane Butler Tweed. None of which appeared in scientology and the aftermath or in Tony Ortega s earlier reporting. If the disability is pronounced to be curable within the skill of the physical practitioner and is in actual fact a disease or illness which surrenders to contemporary physical treatment, to require the person to be so treated before Scientology processing may be undertaken;. Please be so kind to PRESENT that evidence, leaving apart pure HEARSAY, and we can take it from there. Why is that? Towards the end of my involvement with the church, they got positively mean and nasty. Taylor met his wife, Angela Mondello Bass in 2010. This simply makes critics into hysterical ninnies who should continue to be ignored by anyone with legal power and who is serious about reforming scientology. I would rather err in trusting others than in thinking that they can not change. Through my career and lived experience I have worked intimately with survivors of suicide. Period. Do you see the absurdity of your argument, Mr. Critical Thinking? This way, more trust can be built among Scientology practitioners and society which is what Scientologists must focus on, IMHO. But this was something done kind of offlines, you know, where both the ED and me knew, that if we fucked it up, it was only our heads that would be cut. But first of all, what is meant by mentally ill? Ratings. He clearly knew NOTHING of what was actually happening. Thanks Marildi; thats a VERY interesting viewpoint indeed! It sounds like you tried to help her and in the best way you knew. At that above link, youll be able to see that the opposition against psychiatry is something WIDELY shared by many groups including medical doctors and different kinds of psychotherapists THEMSELVES and an opposition that HAVE existed independently of Scn and even before it. Mike does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING when a Scientologist post a comment there at his blog, and a lot of commenters start attacking him/her left and right with all kinds of insults, just because that Scientologist says something (ANYTHING) positive about LRH or Scn. She was a friend as well. Lets put Karen De La Carriere on that list, and we are all set, That specific group of 6, plus their sheeple decided upon a VERY specific narrative since SEVERAL years ago, and since then their specific agenda DOES NOT include reformation AT ALL. This was around 2000 more or less. But there is a general dysfunction in Scientology technology that treats the brain like no other organ in the body. The first time was to get a physical and full check up before the Purif. Scientology is a cult that is a criminal organization with very few members and lots of real estate. Your baby girl of 27 years killed herself and you're "at peace" with it 72 hours after she leaves this earth forever? Actually Lauren Haggis is the daughter of Paul Haggis and I have no problem with her wanting to do a segment for her friend. I beg to differ, Statpush, and I am not trying to influence your opinion here. Mary, no offense, but you are either naively buying into what Mike Rinder and Leah Remini are saying in The Aftermath because you dont know much about Scientologys policies as you were never a Scientologist yourself, or you were involved with Scientology but were not very familiar with its policies. As a rather usual phenomenon that we Puerto Ricans cant still understand, Irma went off towards the North just as it was approaching the island. He, along with Marcus Daly and Frederick Heinze, was one of the three "copper kings" so eloquently portrayed in C.B. If Leah and Mike would have emphasized specific instances of Disconnection and Fair Game practices, where only factual data capable of being PROVED was shown preferably with documents, videos, etc that might have acted as enough Media pressure for the church to decide to reform a few things, even if they would do it backstage, you know, without publicly admitting to anything. I MYSELF had been doing just that until recently, though I didnt do it that much. Obituaries. I cant honestly say that I know enough about her to make a fair comment as to her potentials. And that includes posting it again, a year later, for a licensed therapist to psycho-analyze you using that quote of yours that you told to Tony on the day of your daughters funeral. As you probably know, thats from the Bible quoting Jesus. October 11, 1970 - February 26, 2023. Here is what ACTUALLY LRH said about medical doctors. For decades it was even taught in schools that they were quacks which I think was said about anything that wasnt medicine and under the control of the AMA. What Mike Rinder and Leah Remini fail to clarify in their Anti-Scientology narrative, is that LIKE MOST PEOPLE INVOLVED IN VEGETARIANISM AND NATURAL HEALTH Scientologists prefer to use natural remedies and alternative medicine (which is practiced by a PROFESSIONAL LICENSED REAL DOCTOR as they like to call them, haha) before engaging in taking medicines and using conventional methods. Leah and Mike are human beings, Not omniscient enlightened perfect masters with IQs of 6000. Rights to practice your religious beliefs are legally protected in the US even though they might go against some peoples moral codes, or even the moral (not.legal) codes of of the larger culture around them. I mean, just today Mike posted something basically mocking all those Scientologists who at least are trying to help at the disaster at Texas. Select a region on the map to view notices in your chosen area. Auditing is just counseling. And like me, there were others who had to do the same. The only related reference I know of concerns those who have had psychiatric drugs or who have been institutionalized. I noticed the same thing about how the staff was being turned into uncaring individuals by the implementation programs enforced by DM. Will they reform? Never once was she mean or nasty towards me. Is my post to be interpreted as that I think that ALL psychotropic drugs are harmful for the patient, and that at no moment any of them should be used to help someone? Lol. This was about her daughter and how she ( Kathy ) and Scientology failed Taylor!. These are areas of legal vulnerability for scientology and I think they are areas where they need to reform. Scn, as an activity, is very much self-centered; and VERY focused on the able (e.g. Wow, what a most accurate and balanced post indeed!!! She commented at length about Scientology, and her mental issues were exacerbated by her auditing cycles. I think it was before I was to start onTRs and Objectives. Whatever this woman says relating to how she tried to help cannot be taken seriously because she followed Hubbard.that makes her statements and response null and void.. If I were to drop dead in the sauna then the cult could say, Well he passed his physical exam by a medical doctor. But the second time was before another cycle of action. They think scientology is a criminal organization because they break up families. It is the same with for example, priests who are also trained clinical psychologists, and who besides using the scriptures as a priest to spiritually orient the individuals he/she is trying to help, he also uses the tools of his trade as a trained clinical psychologist (or other type of psychotherapist) to help his parishioner. It is unnatural. I think even they would agree to that because they are not operating on the standard of getting all sides of their stories. January 23, 1924 - January 3, 2022 U.S. Those 5 premises inductively lead to conclude that Mike Rinder is NOT after reformation, but after punishment and revenge because his family DECIDED ON THEIR OWN to disconnect from him, but he blames DM for it. One sane and balanced comment, at last! Other groups were not the topic. Leahs career before The Aftermath was practically non-existent. Now, looked at from the above clarifications, do you still feel the same way about it? For Type III, I would expect the person to get a Qual program, which may include The Introspection Rundown. They married three years later in 2013 and had two children-Luke Joseph Bass (8) and . To each their own on their belief system, but many things about this church dont sit well with me. This isnt just the belief of Scientologists. Douglas R. Tweed, 84, passed away Monday, March 20, 2017, at Mayo Clinic Health System in Barron, Wis. Their motives for doing this may be more of a legal rudiment, rather than a professed belief in medicine. But if we are going to blame and criticize Scientologists for this, then I am afraid, that we would have to do the same with MILLIONS of Americans, to not mention the other millions from other countries. She went from a Where is Leah these days to a Leah Remini is an awesome badass. And what drives TV? Currently, Tyler Tweeds death is widely spreading, and people are concerned to know about Tyler Tweed Obituary and want to get a real update. It is called, POLICIES ON PHYSICAL HEALING, INSANITY AND SOURCES OF TROUBLE written on 27 Oct 1964 : Any process labeled healing, old or new, refers to healing by mental and spiritual means and should therefore be looked upon as the relief of difficulties arising from mental and spiritual causes., The proper procedure in being requested to heal some complained-of physical disability is as follows:, 1. But no cult has the right to break the law. I dont know where this idea that Scnists dont believe in doctors came from (Leah? But you are the police officer taking her complaint. They, incorrectly, do not give it the attention it deserves. They were robotically and literally interpreting these EPs and confusing them with the Purpose Section of each Objective process. Find Funeral Notices, Death Notices, Obituaries and Funeral Director services in Australia | page 1 As have many very cruel people before you. In short, one should realize that physical healing does not take into account the being and the repercussion on the spiritual beingness of the person., The purely physical facts of injuries, illnesses and stresses are themselves incapacitating and do themselves often require physical analysis and treatment by a doctor or nutritionist. I remember him saying something along the line that a Cult required a leader and some form of organization, and a belief system, and that there just wasnt any coordinated effort with specific leaders to destroy the church. Do you know that something called Critical Thinking exists? Well the distinctions you made about those who have had psych drugs and who have been institutionalized are good things to bring up. By assumptions, I meant what was presented on the episode 2 of The Aftermath season 2. We must become auditors TO THEM if we are to expect any reformations to happen. 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